Sharing your Kerry Ancestors

MKA Blog Pedigree_Chart_Blank‘Sharing’ your Ancestors, whether they are from Kerry or anywhere else, has become a huge problem. You might wonder what I mean by ‘sharing’.  I mean copying and sharing other people’s research into similar names.   Genealogy has become a major hobby, online resources have become easier to search, just type in your ancestor’s surname on Google and it is bound to pop up somewhere.  But is it YOUR ancestor?  There may even be very impressive family trees, what looks like genuine information with full names and dates.  But is the information accurate?    Are all these names and dates backed up with verifiable sources – baptismal/birth/marriage records for instance.

Could I ‘share’ with you to-day, my experiences in my own research consultations and in my work on the Genealogy Advisory Service at the National Library, where I see the greatest problems arising.

Problems with sharing

  1. Not enough initial prep work done. It is no good deciding yourself that you think your ancestor was from Kerry or maybe it was Clare.   I have had descendants asking me if I could find out who ‘James Connor’ was, where he came from, he arrived in Virginia in 1825.  So it is easy to copy any James Connor’s tree on a genealogy website and make it your own.
  2. I have seen ‘family trees’ on a major subscription genealogy website (you probably know yourself which one) with a family, mixed up between Castlegregory and Castlemaine. If you live in the United States or Australia and you or generations of your family have had no contact with Ireland since the first ancestor emigrated, well then one ‘Castle’ is probably the same as another.
  3. I have seen a Dingle man ‘marrying’ a woman from Coolea, Co. Cork in 1810. Visualise this intrepid groom crossing the rough unmade roads & paths over the mountains (how many mountains?) until he met the girl of his dreams in Coolea.  Just because there was a lady in Coolea with a similar name to the supposed bride.
  4. Getting stuck on dates. This is a major one.  Deciding that an ancestor was born at a particular date.  I have been given day, date and year for the supposed birth of an ancestor without any corresponding source or record.  Until you actually see a copy of a baptismal or birth certificate, you cannot presume a date of birth for an Irish ancestor.  You have to take into account that Irish people did not know (or care) about their birth dates in the 19th C.   They didn’t celebrate 21sts or 50ths and when faced with Census requirements in the U.S., Australia/ NZ/UK, they just popped down whatever came into their heads.  Ten years later, when the next census came around they had forgotten what they had declared previously and more than likely put down a new date.
  5. A ‘shared’ ancestor record that came to a standstill in 1845 – wife seems to have ‘disappeared’. A new name has appeared – maybe they ‘got divorced’.  I am sorry, there was no divorce in Kenmare in 1845.
  6. Death Certificates. Again this is a problem with both dates and home locations.  If your ancestor didn’t know his date of birth as explained, well then the person who signed his death certificate didn’t know it either.  The same goes for home locations – did the deceased’s family listen correctly to him when he was recounting his stories of ‘home’.  Where was it again?  Was it Cork or did he say something about Kerry?

Finding Your Kerry Ancestors yourself

  • Do the initial ‘digging’ yourself, without looking at anyone else’s records. Genealogy is very rewarding but it is also hard work.  It needs patience, persistence and a plan.
  • Start with what you know – your father, your grandfather, if it is your paternal line you have decided to follow. Make sure every name, date and location is backed by a source document or note that you are awaiting such proof.
  • Construct a pedigree table, so as not to confuse the different generations. In my own research, I compile a simple table , five columns across and six or seven rows down (Kerry people had large families!). Knowing the parents of the family, I enter the exact date of the baptism or birth that I have found for each individual child, address on the baptismal/birth certificate, the sponsors names and the church where the baptism took place.  This simple table will keep you alerted to confusing generation, by adding sponsors or witnesses names, this could be the detail that would copper fasten the fact that you have the correct family.  The address column will alert you to the fact that the family may have moved around and this will help in locating land records.
MKA Blog Pedigree Table
  • Work then from the known to the unknown – always trying to establish a connection between a known family member and a previous generation. Many Irish family names are locally common and it is easy to presume a connection that is not real.
  • Marriage Certificates are gold dust – not death certificates.
  • Put on your thinking cap and contextualise the different generations. What was happening in Kerry when your ancestor emigrated?   Did they marry at a very young age (early 19th century) or at an older age (later 19th century).  Were there roads to enable them to go to the nearest church to baptise their children?   How did they travel?  When did the trains come to Kerry?  What might have been the nearest port to emigrate from?   Read books on Irish/Kerry history.
Finally Read about all the genuine sources available to you in my book Finding Your Ancestors in Kerry

8 Comments

  1. Catherine O'Brien Catherine O'Brien
    October 29, 2015    

    I spent years pre computer age looking for my grandmother’s birth. I knew my grandmother and had been given a date of 1893. My father and his siblings confirmed this. Born Cahirciveen 1893. I only visit Kerry every few years and with a growing family this was put on the back burner. Until a few years ago I once again visited the record office in Killarney explaining my problem. The lady was VERY HELPFUL and put herself out. Eventually she found the birth and my grandmother was born Cahirciveen 1893, however, it had not been registered until 1903!!! The registrar had hand written a note and crossed out the printed ’19’ on the form replacing it with ’18’.
    I may never find out the reason it was registered 10 years after the event. If anyone can through light on that please contact me. I just wanted others to know that it is worth looking further than the usual 3 years either side of a date to find an ancestor in the registers. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE KILLARNEY RECORD OFFICE FOR THEIR CONCERN AND HELP.
    Catherine (MUSGRAVE) O’Brien.

  2. N. Leonard N. Leonard
    October 29, 2015    

    Excellent professional advice which could save a great deal of time and expense for the unwary!
    From my limited experience in this field, amateur genealogy can be chasing wild geese through a maze! One must be very careful not to assume that all the ‘experts’ and expensive on-line sites are infallible- far from it. Not even ‘official’ and State sources may be depended on for complete accuracy.
    There is much to learn from the experience and professional advice of Kay, and others who have the personal experience and knowledge- and are willing to share it with us!

    • kaymoloney kaymoloney
      October 29, 2015    

      Thank you for the kind comments. Kay

  3. trevor mcclaughlin trevor mcclaughlin
    October 29, 2015    

    Excellent advice Kay. May I praise you for your very important post? Even being as meticulous as ever I could, I still made mistakes looking for Earl Grey orphans in OZ.
    best wishes
    trevor

    • kaymoloney kaymoloney
      October 30, 2015    

      Trevor, sometimes even the most professional of us want to make a record ‘fit’ without the relevant checks and balances. I suppose that’s human nature. Kay

  4. Rosie Baynham Rosie Baynham
    October 30, 2015    

    Excellent information as always Kay. I especially liked the one about naming a child the same as the parent who has died thereby giving you an approximate death date. Thank you so much for all your helpful tips.

  5. Kathy Sullivan Kathy Sullivan
    November 1, 2015    

    Thanks so much, very helpful. My Dingle people emigrated between 1880 and 1910 and I have had good luck and still have cousins in Lispole. Do you know if the surname for a godmother would be her married name or maiden name or either?

    • kaymoloney kaymoloney
      November 1, 2015    

      Kathy, the godmother or sponsor’s name would be her legal name at the time of the birth/baptism – if she was single at the time, it would be what we call her maiden name and if married, it would be her married name. Hope this is of help.

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